Quran - Sun Having a Setting Place and a Rising Place on the Earth

The Quran states that the Sun has a setting place and a rising place on the Earth. Listen to Quran 18:86 -

Word by word grammar: http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=86
Translation: http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=18&verse=86

Pickthall: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.

Pickthall gives the correct translation of this verse. Some others have tried to twist the words to make it seem like "he reached the setting of the sun" instead of the correct translation "he reached the setting place of the sun"...

I will clearly explain how. Please refer to the word by word grammar of the quran i linked above as you follow my explanation.

The verse 18:86 in arabic: "hattaa idhaa balagha maghriba al-shamsi wajadahaa taghrubu fee 'aynin hami-atin wawajada 'indahaa qawman qulnaa yaadha al-qarnayni imma an tu'adhiba wa imma an tattakhidha feehim husnan"

Lets look at this part by part: The verse 18:85 states that he (Dhul Qarnayn) followed a way... Now 18:86 - "hattaa idhaa" meaning "until when"...

"balagha" means "he reached"

"maghriba al-shamsi"... this is where the translators are causing confusion. This actually can mean "setting place of the sun" or "time of sunset".... but it is very clear from the context that here, it means "setting place of the sun". Dont believe? Try putting the other meaning here. Then it would read - "He followed a way until when he reached the time of sunset".... This is absurd. Why would anyone say "he reached the time of sunset"?

If that was what "allah" wanted to tell us, he could have simply said "he followed a way until the sun set". Why the use of the word "balagha" (he reached)? Because he actually meant "he reached the place of sunset". It is clear....

There is no use trying to mistranslate it as "he reached the place at the time of sunset" etc... because that requires insertion of new words absent in the Quran.

Now some people also try to translate maghriba  as "west" or "far west". While it is true that maghrib can also mean "west", the words "maghriba al-shamsi" would then translate to "west of the sun" which is another clear absurdity. When maghrib is used along with "al-shamsi", that means the setting place (or time) of the sun.

Infact, the Quran repeats a similar mistake in verse 18:90 (http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=18&verse=90) -

Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom.

Word by word grammar: http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=90#(18:90:1)

The Arabic words used are "matli'Aa al-shamsi" which invariably means "Rising place of the sun" (again it is a place, not time because Dhul Qarnayn is said to have reached there). Why? Because "matli'Aa" cannot be translated as "east". East is always referred to as "mashriq" in the Quran.

In this context, the meaning "time of sunrise" for "matli'Aa al-shamsi" can be ruled out similar to how I explained above, the meaning of "maghriba al-shamsi".

Another defense by Muslim apologetics is - "Where does it say that the setting place of the sun is on the earth?" The answer is simple. It says that Dhul-Qarnayn followed a way until he reached the setting place of the sun. If the author of Quran knew that the sun does not have a setting place on the earth, then why would he say that Dhul-Qarnayn reached that place? Similarly, the Quran states that he reached the place of sunrise.

So it is clear, the Quran says that sun has a setting place on the earth - More specifically, a muddy spring. Also, it says that the sun has a rising place on the earth.

Now people like Zakir Naik have also tried mistranslating the latter part of the verse as "it appeared to Dhul Qarnayn" that sun set in a muddy spring. He claims that meaning of "wajada" is "appeared to".... but the actual meaning is "found"... ie, the verse states that he found the sun setting in a muddy spring. Want further proof? See the same word "wajada" used in the latter part of the verse.... if Zakir is correct, it would be like this - "It appeared to Dhul-Qarnayn that there were people at the place".... this is nonsense.. this nonsense is due to Zakir's mistranslation of the word "wajada". Wajada means found.

And here is the final blow - Muddy springs are too small to cause the illusion of sun setting in them. So, to say that "it appeared to him that sun set in a muddy spring" is highly improbable. It would take the sea or atleast a very large lake for this illusion to happen. Even if it did appear to someone that the sun is hitting the horizon on the surface of a muddy spring, all the person needs to do is to take a few steps forwards or sideways and then the land, trees or hills on the other side of the spring would be easily visible to him.

Just take a look at a typical muddy spring...

So, the Quran states clearly that the sun has a setting place and rising place on the earth. More specifically, a spring of dark mud. For those who believe in authentic hadiths, lets go further. Read this hadith (classified as sahih or authentic by famous Muslim scholar Al-Albani who is reputed for his investigation into the authenticity/chains of transmission of hadiths).

Sunan Abu Dawud 31:3991

http://sunnah.com/abudawud/32/34
Narrated Abu Dharr:
I was sitting behind the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets ? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (Hamiyah).

Here, Muhammad affirms his follower Abu Dharr without a shade of doubt that the sun sets in hamiyah (A spring of dark mud or warm water depending on translation).

After knowing this, it is absurd to think that Quran is the word of god or that Muhammad is a messenger of god.

HOW IS ISLAM HARMFUL FOR THE WORLD?

People ask me every now and then - What is wrong with Islam? Why hurt the feelings of Muslims? Don't you see that there are a lot of peaceful Muslims in the world?

First of all, it is not my intention to hurt the feelings of Muslims. There are many peaceful people who identify themselves as Muslims. However, I see it as my duty to depopularise Islam. This brings us to the question - What is wrong with Islam? The answer is simple. The books of Islam clearly advocate many cruel laws, which were set by Muhammad, the founder of Islam in the seventh century. And more importantly, these laws are final and unchanging according to Islam. These include:

• Killing anyone who leave Islam
• Forbidding men and women from spending time alone unless they are married couples or close relatives
• Prohibiting Muslim women from marrying non-Muslims
• Giving 100 lashes in public for having sex before marriage
• Stoning married adulterers to death
• Killing or expelling homosexuals from their homes

All these laws and regulations are clearly commanded in the books of Islam. And these laws (to varying degrees) are followed in many Muslim majority countries. You have an estimate of 1.7 billion people who identify themselves as Muslims today. Of those, about 300 million support death penalty for leaving Islam (called apostasy). Saudi, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and a few other countries implement this barbaric punishment by law. In Pakistan and Bangladesh (where this law does not actually exist), many Muslims kill apostates in broad daylight, every now and then. In fact, in Muslim dominated localities even in India, there is some sort of risk for apostates of Islam.

Many Muslim apologetics quote the verse 2:256 of the Quran - "No compulsion in religion" and claim that death penalty for apostasy is incompatible with the Quran. Would have been cool if that was really the case... Isn't it? However, the truth is that this verse actually means there is no compulsion for outsiders to enter Islam. This is clear from the early Tafsirs (commentaries of Quran). This does not grant Muslims the freedom to leave Islam. Even if we take this verse as granting freedom to leave Islam, there are verses like 48:29 which command harsh treatment of disbelievers. Hence, "no compulsion in religion" is also internally inconsistent in the Quran. Apologetics also quote various verses such as "to you your religion and to me my religion" which were what Muhammad revealed when he was weak and powerless in Mecca. There are atleast 23 authentic (Sahih) hadiths that clearly establish death for apostasy. Not one or two. Not four or five. There are twenty-three or more sahih hadiths that support this. These things I mentioned are so obvious for anyone who studies Islam with an open mind. It is not that 300 million people are crazy to think it is good to kill apostates. They think this is the final law of god and his messenger. And there are several more millions of Muslims who facilitate and support harsh treatment of apostates, even without supporting death penalty for them.

Link to the Main Article: Death for Apostasy in Islam

Add this to the other horrible laws that I mentioned... It is obvious that the growth of Islam is a threat to our freedom. Millions upon millions are suffering from these barbaric laws even today. We cannot let this continue. We need to depopularise Islam very much. We need to try our best to educate Muslims and non Muslims these facts and make them open their eyes. The more the Muslims who come out of Islam, the better. The more the non Muslims who oppose Islam, the better. Stating something like Bible also has cruel laws (which is very true - the Old Testament is horrible) only helps to distract from the real issue. There is not a single country which follows the Old Testament laws today. You dont have anywhere close the amount of Christians or Jews who want to re-instate the OT laws - the percentages are really small. They dont treat apostates and liberals anywhere as bad as Muslims do, on an average.

It is simple honesty to say that Islam is far more harmful than any other religion for the modern world. We need to stop being politically correct and come forward to speak the truth. It is our duty to win freedom for the world from the ideology called Islam. Else, it will be our children and grand children who suffer in the future.